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Show 3: Winter X Games

Featuring: Winter X Games 11, Spinoff Technology, Space Food Cook-off, Mars, Ski Promo

Chris Giersch: Co-Host
Blair Allen: Co-Host
Franklin Fitzgerald: News Anchor

Blair: I can't believe we're doing show prep without computers. I can't find anything. I can't organize.

Chris: Hey, hey, don't worry. It's all laid out here, all organized, even color-coded for you. You can't go wrong.

Blair: I still think I need a computer or maybe some more coffee.

Franklin: What's up guys?

Chris: What's up Franklin?

Franklin: Not much. What's going on with you?

Chris: Just working on some show prep. How about yourself?

Franklin: Ready for a little bit of NASA news?

Chris: Yeah sure, whatta ya got?

Franklin: I'll talk to you about the new Horizon Fly By. The new Horizons spacecraft is on the doorsteps of the solar system's largest planet. The spacecraft will study and swing past Jupiter increasing its speed on its way to study Pluto.

Chris: Yeah, it a cool mission. It's the first mission that NASA goes out to Pluto to get high res images and learn more about the planet… well no planet, that's debatable. Pretty neat mission.

Blair: Cool. Chris did you highlight the spin-offs in yellow or green?

Franklin: For those who aren't organizationally challenged, I have a Barbara Morgan story. The first educator astronaut and former Idaho teacher, Barbara Morgan, is set to fly in space this summer on STS 118.

Chris: I worked with Barbara Morgan on a couple of programs. She's a wonderful person. In fact, we should go film that launch in June.

Franklin: And while we're here in Aspen, we need to talk about the thermometer pill.

Chris: Oh excellent. We should put that in the show.

Blair: Franklin, good job but before we shoot you really need to find out about that NASA thermometer pill for the athletes.

Franklin: Don't worry about it. We got it covered.

Chris: I hope you're ready co-host.

Blair: Of course. Let's go.


Blair: Welcome to NASA Edge.

Chris: An inside and outside look at all things NASA. I'm Chris.

Blair: And I'm Blair. We're here at Winter X Game XI in Aspen, Colorado. I'm sure we have a fabulous reason for being here.

Chris: Absolutely. We're here to discuss NASA's spin-off technologies. And how NASA's innovations are being used right here at the Winter X Games.

Blair: Of course, Franklin is here also. He's going to do another ESA. I think he's out on the slopes. Franklin, how are things going out there?

Franklin: Hey guys. It's great out here. Check it out. Since you guys are working on NASA's spin-off technology, I thought I'd put a new spin on the ESA. We're going to try a new game today called "Innovation Fabrication."

Both: Cool. Yeah.

Franklin: It should be fun. Blair, check it out and when you go out to interview those athletes, don't forget the pointers I gave you.

Chris: Pointers? What pointers?

Franklin: Hey guys take care.

Blair: Yeah, after Houston I asked Franklin to give me some guidelines, to help me do better interviews. I'm going to try to apply those guidelines here at the X Games.

Chris: Well, I have interviews lined up all day. In fact, I have a front row seat on Super Pipe. I'll talk to you later.

Blair: Oh perfect, see ya later.



Franklin: Check it out. We're taking an exclusive inside look at the official unofficial space food cook-off here inside the food lab at the NASA Johnson Space Center. So, what do we have here?

Interviewee: We have something very special -- chicken and peanut sauce.

Interviewee: Think we need to add something green… like, maybe, spinach.

Franklin: Hmm. Great! Good luck.

Franklin: We're here with last year's runaway winners as they try to duplicate their world-renowned seafood gumbo. Cause everyone knows there's a science to cooking. So tell me, guys, what's your criteria for judging space food?

Interviewee: That's an excellent question. There's nutritional content, taste, of course, and creativity.

Interviewee: And presentation. Presentation is important.

Franklin: Great. Great. But do you really think you can compete with the Medianauts from NASA EDGE?

Blair: Oh, yeah.

Chris: This is gonna be good, isn't it? More root beer?

Blair: More root beer. Get that in there. More root beer.

Chris: Oh. Oh, yeah.

Blair: Frothy goodness.

Blair: Needs more jellybeans.


Blair: I want to see some VIPs. But…


Chris: Hey we're here with Kristi Leskinen at the Winter X Games. Kristi, how's everything going?

Kristi: Very well. Very well.

Chris: We saw you out there on the slopes today, how are you feeling?

Kristi: I'm feeling pretty good. I hurt my back a bit and I'm taking it easy for these practice rounds. I'm doing good.

Chris: Your competition is tomorrow?

Kristi: It's actually not till Friday.

Chris: Not till Friday, so you have a couple more days…

Kristi: I have another day to relax. Yeah.

Chris: To get ready for the Winter X Games there is a lot of training. What kind of training does is take to go down the Super Pipe?

Kristi: Gosh, a lot of crashing. This sport is trial by error. So to get where you are it's just a stepping-stone. Small tricks, bigger tricks, bigger tricks until you make it here.

Chris: Does it take a lot of physical endurance?

Kristi: Absolutely.

Chris: And some weight training?

Kristi: Absolutely. All summer long, I'm in the weight room and hiking mountains. Trying to have a lot of fun wake boarding… trying to stay in shape.

Chris: It's like the astronauts when they go up into space. It involves physical training, endurance. Seems like it goes hand in hand with astronauts and the X Games.

Kristi: I'm glad you drew that conclusion because I have my moon boots on. I feel like that really helps in the astronaut training.

Chris: You are the first woman to do a 720 rodeo?

Kristi: Yes, I am.

Chris: How did you feel when you accomplished that?

Kristi: I think about action sports the biggest thing is the adrenaline rush. That's what keeps you going in the sport. When you land a trick like that for the first time, your heart is racing. You don't feel pain. It's really exciting.

Chris: Kristi, have you heard of the new, cool alloy called liquid metal.

Kristi: No, I haven't.

Chris: It's a NASA innovation that is lighter than titanium, very strong and they're actually using it in skis and snowboards these days.

Kristi: I wasn't aware of that.

Chris: You'll have to get a set and try it out and see if you like it.

Kristi: Yeah. I think the new metals will hold at the edge longer and anything that can make a ski lighter is definitely beneficial.

Chris: That might just give you the edge to go for the gold.

Kristi: I think it might.

Chris: Kristi, you're from Uniontown, Pennsylvania.

Kristi: Yes.

Chris: Quick question, are you a Steelers fan or an Eagles fan?

Kristi: Definitely Steelers…I'm right outside of Pittsburg.

Chris: Go Steelers. Kristi, thank you very much for the interview and good luck with the competition.

Kristi: Thank you. I appreciate it.

Chris: Have a great day.

Kristi: Have fun at NASA.

[music playing]

Chris: We're here with Elena Height. Let's check it out. How are you doing, Elena?

Elena: I'm good. Thanks.

Chris: What events do you compete in here at the Winter X Games?

Elena: I'm competing in the snowboard Half Pipe. Pipe is really, really good this year. We've had wonderful weather. It's beautiful out and hopefully it will be super fun. Tonight, actually, is qualifiers and then finals tomorrow night. So, I'm looking forward to it. As for getting in shape…

Danny Kass (yelling off camera): I love you, Elena.

Chris: We have a fan here.

Elena: Yeah, Danny Kass. Danny Kass… thank you, I love you. As for getting in shape, hiking the pipe is an incredible workout.

Chris: If you were on the moon and they had a half pipe on the moon… You were in one sixth gravity. How high do you think you could go?

Elena: Forever… right?

Chris: Forever, huh.

Elena: Yeah.

Chris: Think so?

Elena: Pretty much.

Chris: What's the most difficult trick you do right now?

Elena: Umm. I've been working on backside nines, which I've had a little trouble with. Hopefully, it will come together for me.

Chris: What kind a maneuver is that… the backside nine.

Elena: It's a backside spin which is on your heel-side wall and it's a 900 degrees rotation, which is 2-1/2 spins.

Chris: You might be able to double that if you were on the moon.

Elena: Yeah. I could. That would be amazing.

Chris: Would you like to try that someday?

Elena: 1260.

Chris: 1260, like to try that someday?

Elena: Could be cool. Yeah.

Chris: Have you ever heard of a special alloy called liquid metal?

Elena: Sounds familiar.

Chris: Sounds familiar? In fact, it's a NASA technology that they're using in snowboards nowadays. With this technology, it's lighter than the typical board you would use and also much stronger.

Elena: Awesome.

Chris: Think you would try one of those boards?

Elena: Yeah. Sounds amazing. I'll get on that.


Blair: I haven't exactly had stellar luck in lining up that all-important interview. Hopefully Franklin is having better luck with his ESA.

Franklin: On this episode of NASA Edge our Extra Studio Activity or ESA will consist of a game we like to call "Innovation Fabrication," where I'll give our contestants a list of technologies or products and they'll have to tell me whether it is a NASA innovation or a blatant fabrication. Let's see how they do.

Franklin: Cordless power tools, innovation or fabrication?

Woman #1: Fabrication.

Woman #2: Innovation.

Man #1: That's fabrication. They were wrong. NASA didn't develop them.

Woman #3: Cordless, fabrication.

Franklin: It's innovation.

Woman #4: Oh, is it? Innovation from NASA.

Franklin: The DeBakey ventricular assist pump.

Teen Girl #1: Say it again, please.

Woman #1: With a name like that, I'm going to say innovation.

Man #2: That's a heart assist pump.

Teen boy #1: Innovation.

Teen boy #2: Innovation.

Franklin: Good job. Do you know what it is?

Teen Boy #1: Not a clue.

Woman #5: Fabrication.

Franklin: It's an innovation.

Woman #5: Gosh.

Franklin: Artificial heart.

Woman #5: Gosh.

Woman #6: I have a degree in Biology. It didn't help.

Franklin: Liquid metal.

Woman #7: Fabrication.

Woman #8: That's a fabrication.

Man #3: Innovation.

Woman #9: Gosh, it sounds so technical. Maybe…. Innovation.

Woman #10: Innovation.

Woman #11: Innovation.

Kristi: I'm just going to say innovation for every single one.

Franklin: Nonmetallic braces.

Teen girl #2: Um.

Franklin: Innovation or fabrication?

Teen girl #2: Fabrication.

Man #2: This hits home for you.

Teen boy #3: I don't know.

Man #4: Non-metallic braces, um, innovation. I'm sure they exist.

Man #5: Innovation.

Man #2: Innovation.

Franklin: Fabrication.

Man #2: Fabrication.

Franklin: Tang.

Female #7: Fabrication.

Female #8: I think it's true.

Kristi: Innovation.

Teen boy #2: Innovation.

Woman #1: There was that one astronaut who did the commercials for Tang.

Woman #7: Innovation?

Franklin: You had it right the first time.

Woman #7: Fabrication.

Franklin: It was not developed by NASA or any of its partners. It's just some fruit drink.

Franklin: The anti-matter food replicator?

Man #4 & #5: Fabrication.


Franklin: The flux-capacitor.

State Trooper: That's from Back to the Future movie, ain't it? Fabrication.

Franklin: Warp drive.

Woman #5: [laughing] Innovation.

Franklin: Fabrication.

Woman #5: Holy moly.

Franklin: Freeze-dried food.

Woman #8: Fabrication. They didn't develop the Tang.

Franklin: It's just the opposite. The freeze-dried food was developed for the space program and Tang was just a tag-a-long.

Franklin: The red-head NASA Edge host?

Kristi: NASA Edge host?

Franklin: Innovation or fabrication.

Kristi: That's a fabrication.

Woman #12: I'd have to say fabrication because I've never heard of that.

Man #1: Fabrication.

Kristi: Because I don't see any red-headed NASA Edge hosts right here, right now. He's not a host.

Franklin: Hey that's a good job. The red-headed NASA Edge host is a fabrication.

Man #1: That sounds like a red head that works for NASA.

Woman #6: What do I win?

Franklin: Five seconds [laughing] on NASA Edge.

Kristi: Hi, this is Kristi Leskinen and NASA Edge rocks.

[upbeat music]

Chris: The competition is heating up here at the Winter X Games 2007. We'll be right back after a quick break. You're watching NASA Edge, an inside and outside look at all things NASA.


Voiceover: Mars. The Red Planet. Exploring the next frontier.

Blair: When did you say NASA was getting here?

Chris: Oh, about 2030.

Blair: Ooh. That's not good.

Chris: You think that's bad?

Blair: I guess you can't even spare a square? I guess I'll just have to hold it on Mars.



Chris: Hey were back at the Winter X Games, right here on NASA Edge. So, Franklin have you seen Blair?

Franklin: No, I haven't but I know one thing… he better not be messing up my lift ticket hook-up. Incidentally, I have a little X Game trivia for you. Do you know they use over 40,000 zip ties throughout the entire X Games?

Chris: Well, I wonder how many zip nuts they used to assemble the International Space Station?

Franklin: That's a great opportunity for spin-off research.

Blair: Hey Neil, can you help me out?

Neil: Yeah, sure. What's up?

Blair: I'm trying to coordinate some interviews with some X Game athletes and I'm having some trouble.

Neil: What are you going to talk about?

Blair: We want to talk to them about how NASA technology has impacted their sport.

Neil: NASA has come up with some pretty cool stuff.

Blair: I know.

Neil: Right here in the hotel, we got tank less water heaters. NASA helped develop those. Also, there are micro-electrical mechanical systems to regulate temperatures in washers and dryers, fire-retardant materials for drapes and curtains, sensors in smoke detectors and not to mention flat-panel televisions and wireless networks for serving the internet.

Blair: You're right. NASA does quite a bit. In fact, most of what you just mentioned could be found in most people's homes.

Neil: That's cool.

Blair: But do you think you could help me finding some athletes for the show?

Neil: Sorry, still working on the lift tickets for Franklin.

Blair: I gotta make some calls. Franklin.


Blair: Okay, I didn't exactly secure an athlete for an interview but I did find somebody that knows something about NASA technology. Ah, if I could just remember where I was suppose to meet him.

Chris: Hey, we're catching up with Tommy Czeschin, a member of the U.S. snowboarding team. Hey Tommy, what event are you competing in this year?

Tommy: This year I'm competing in Super-Pipe.

Chris: What's the Super-Pipe?

Tommy: The Super-Pipe is a half-pipe that's just a little bit bigger and they call it Super-Pipe.

Chris: Now Tommy, tell me, what's it like as you're going down, doing a half-pipe run, what's it like using NASA technology?

Tommy: I'm not quite sure. Do we have some NASA stuff in the boards?

Chris: Do you realize when you're doing the half-pipe… you wear ski goggles, right?

Tommy: Yes.

Chris: You know the anti-fogging that's in your ski goggles…

Tommy: Uh-huh.

Chris: That's a NASA innovation.

Tommy: It's awesome then.

Chris: …to the micro-encapsulated materials in your jackets and pants that you wear to make them light-weight and warm

Tommy: Yep.

Chris: That's all part of NASA technology.

Tommy: Yeah. It's awesome wearing NASA stuff.

Chris: Cool. Thanks for catching up with us and good luck for the competition.

Tommy: Thanks, man.

Blair: Is this really necessary? I'm from NASA.

Security: Yeah, right.


Chris: Hey, how has the technology of snowboarding changed since you've been competing?

Scotty Lago: It's changed a lot. And it's a young sport so it's even changing more and more as the years go by.

Chris: So is the ultimate goal to try to find a lighter and a very stiff board?

Scotty: Yeah, mostly lighter and durable but still maintaining its flexibility and pop to it.

Keir Dillon: Oh man, it's changed drastically. The pipes are bigger… the amount of speed you need to carry into the walls is a lot faster. But since the pipe's bigger, now, the g-forces are, actually, less which allows us to go bigger. The amount of rotations we're spinning, everything that everyone's doing is increasing, increasing.

Chris: Now in terms of technology, how important is it to get the right snowboard?

Keir: It's huge. Not only the snowboard but the wax for the friction with the board against the snow. As far as the radius of the side-cut of the snowboard, you need to get that filed in for the style of rider that you are. And then any thing from the cores--whether it's a honeycomb core, like a helicopter wing, or traditional wood core or an injected foam core. So there's many different things for people to choose when they're looking for that perfect board.

Chris: Gotta important question for you. What would it be like to half-pipe on the Moon?

Keir: I think it would be good, ya know. With less gravity, it would definitely make getting the amount of air-time a lot easier. The amount of rotations you could do would be a lot more fun as well.

Chris: You think you're up for it?

Keir: I'm up for it if you guys got the money to send me there. So… let's make this happen.

Trisha Burns: I've been snowboarding for 18 years. When I started snowboarding, it was wood with fins. And now it's like the full on… the real deal. It's awesome as the technology keeps going.

Chris: Where do you see your sport in the next five to ten years?

Trisha: I always feel like it can't get any better but it just keeps getting better and bigger. Everybody keeps pushing it. So I'm sure it's going to continue to grow. People are going to continue to kill it.

Chris: I got one important question…

Trisha: Yes.

Chris: What would it be like to do a half-pipe on the Moon?

Trisha: Isn't the Moon made of cheese?


Trisha: It'd be cheesy.

Chris: Were here with Louie. Louie, just a couple of questions. One is… how has snowboarding changed since you've been competing.

Louie Vito: Oh man. The pipes have gotten bigger. The tricks… the spinning more. They're going higher -- style, grabs. Everything's been changing. Technology and snowboarding period -- the boards, the boots, the bindings--everything's been changing like crazy in the past couple years.

Chris: Where do you see your sport in the next five to ten years?

Louie: I don't know. It's kinda scary to think 'cause last year was Olympic year as everyone knows. The tricks just sky rocketed. The level of riding sky rocketed. It's hard to even say where it's going to be by the next Olympics.

Chris: Well, I tell you what… What do you think it would be like to do a half-pipe on the Moon?

Louie: I think it would be pretty crazy 'cause there's not much gravity. I don't know you'd really come back in.

Chris: If you had the opportunity to try, would you take that opportunity?

Louie: Oh yeah, of course. Of course.

Chris: Now, it's only going to be in 2018, so… you think you'll still be snowboarding then?

Louie: Oh yeah. Better be. Hopefully my body holds up. But by then they're going to have so much crazy technology, if you get hurt, you'll be good to go anyway.

Chris: Hey Blair, isn't Aspen a really sweet place?

Blair: It really is. And we got to see NASA technology in action both in practice and in competition.

Chris: And we got to do interviews with pretty cool athletes.

Blair: Well, some of us got to interview athletes.

Chris: I tell you what let's go back to the studio and learn more about NASA spin-offs.

Blair: Yes. We're NASA Edge here at Winter X Games XI in Aspen, Colorado.

Chris: …an inside and outside look at all things NASA.


Blair: You say these skis are made with NASA technology?

Chris: Oh yeah, Liquid Metal.

Blair: Perfect.

Chris: Good luck.

Franklin: You say the doctors can fix him up with NASA technology?

Chris: Oh yeah, Plasti-bone.

Franklin: Perfect.

Franklin: Hey, those lift tickets are still good.

Chris: Perfect.

[END SKIING] [music]

Blair: Welcome to NASA Edge. We're back from that wonderful winter wonderland in Aspen, Colorado.

Blair: …with an inside and outside look at all things NASA.

Chris: Dude, you stole my line.

Blair: I know but I sensed, being a keen observer of humanity that I am, that you're under the weather.

Chris: I am under the weather but we just pulled fourteen-hour days in Aspen, Colorado.

Blair: Good job.

Chris: … an running up the 7, 8, and 9. And I don't know how many interviews I did that day.

Blair: Lots… lots of interviews.

Chris: Lots of interviews, right.

Blair: Good job, by the way.

Chris: What about your main interview. I heard something went wrong.

Blair: No… I mean… It was fine. Actually, it went very well. Just a few miscommunications along the way and it turns out I couldn't remember where we were suppose to meet. Then lines got crossed… events came up so the next thing ya know, we're back here in the studio. But it's okay 'cause we got some good stuff.

Chris: Ron, our producer, told me about how you screwed up and just went back to the tent to eat instead of meeting with the guy. So Blair, to help you out and support you once again, I have a back-up plan. We have Jamie Janvier on the line from NASA's spin-off technologies. And he's going to talk to you today all about the technology transfer. Hey Jamie, how ya doin'?

Jamie: I'm doing well Chris. I'd be happy to steer Blair in the right direction if I can.

Chris: Wonderful.

Blair: … well, great. Jamie, thanks for all the help 'cause I sure could use it, especially after the X Games. I don't want to get into that… what I would like to do is start off by asking you a primary question that I have. What exactly is a NASA spin-off?

Jamie: A NASA spin-off can be a commercial product or service that is derived from NASA technology, albeit direct technical assistance from the space agency or NASA know-how or funding and support.

Blair: Chris had mentioned that there is a publication that you work on that has to do with spin-offs?

Jamie: Yes. The publication itself is called Spin-off and, as a matter of fact, it's the agency's premiere annual publication. It has been in inception since 1976.

Blair: Essentially, how does the technology that NASA develops or by someone in the private sector… how does that make it's way through the spin-off process so it comes through and ends up being either an individual product or co-venture with someone on the outside?

Jamie: That's a great question because a spin-off product or service can formulate in a variety of different ways. Essentially, a product can be designed by a private company for NASA's use and then it can be spun-out into private sector use as a whole different meaning.

Blair: Can you give me an example of one of those types of technologies?

Jamie: Yes, as a matter of fact, there was this very cool, ingestible thermometer pill that was developed for NASA purposes. Essentially, it was designed to monitor the health of astronauts in space. These astronauts could take this pill, which consisted of a little, micro-battery inside, and mission control on Earth could monitor their health.

Chris: Innovation--fabrication.

Blair: Yes, and we'll hear a little more about that later. [laughing] But that's great.

Jamie: That technology is spun back down on Earth as a temperature pill that monitors athletes on the field so they don't overheat. And it's also used for fire fighters fighting blazes and scuba divers in the deep, cold depths.

Blair: Jamie, one quick question about the whole process… how it takes place… how NASA gets their technology from point A at NASA to point B, maybe liquid metal as an example.

Jamie: Okay, scientists at JPL were studying the metallic behavior of certain alloys. They teamed up with their friends over at Marshall Space Flight Center to do researching.

Blair: Good partnering effort.

Jamie: Absolutely. They wanted to test this new alloy in an environment where it could be suspended in mid-air so heating and cooling would take place to see if the metal would hold up in the hot temperatures and would not get too brittle in the cold temperatures.

Blair: So, NASA tested this new material and found how effective it was and said we're not the only ones that can use this?

Jamie: That is quite the case. They found a suitable partner in a company called Liquid Metal Technologies.

Chris: So how does this whole process work in terms of this technology transfer, when NASA has this innovation they want to get out to the public?

Jamie: NASA solicits the technologies in a variety of ways. They have a small business innovation research program as well as a small business technology transfer program, essentially fund companies to develop technologies that assist NASA but also have commercial feasibility that would in turn help the companies get some leverage in their own competition.

Blair: That's basically a win-win situation--a win for NASA and a win for private institutions.

Jamie: Absolutely. That's a great way to say it.

Chris: That could be a nice spin-off to the game we played out in Aspen.

Blair: Yes, we did play an interesting game out there.

Jamie: A game?

Chris: Innovation. Fabrication. Do you have some time with us, Jamie?

Jamie: I sure do.

Blair: Perfect.

Chris: We're going to keep a tally. Blair will keep your score. And we're going to see you do compared to the general public in Colorado.

Jamie: Sounds like a challenge.

Chris: Blair, I'll start a couple and you come up with a couple.

Blair: I'll do one.

Chris: Technology #1: the flux-capacitor.

Jamie: [laughing]

Chris: Innovation, fabrication.

Jamie: Fabrication--Back to the Future.

Blair: Oh, he even knows the source.

Chris: Cool. Technology #2: zip nuts.

Jamie: That would be an innovation. That's a locking mechanism that they use for the space station.

Chris: Look at that.

Blair: Oh man, we need to take this guy out with us to do the games. He's perfect.

Chris: I think so. He's two for two.

Blair: I'm going to do one now. This is one of my favorites, Tang.

Jamie: Tang is a fabrication. Commonly believed to be spin-off by the public just because it was widely recognized with John Glenn's use of it when he did his space travel.

Blair: Non-metallic braces.

Jamie: Non-metallic braces are an innovation. I believe NASA helped in developing some ceramic materials that could be applied in the field of orthodontics.

Chris: We were wrong in Aspen.

Chris & Blair: [laughing]

Blair: Uh-oh. We made that up. It may be a real innovation. This is uncomfortable.

Chris: See, errors of omission.

Jamie: See how far NASA's reach extends?

Chris: We just learned something.

Blair: That makes me nervous.

Chris: That's perfect.

Blair: Alright, he's right. We're wrong. Now we get a negative strike against us. I've got one.

Chris: Alright.

Blair: The tricorder.

Jamie: I'm familiar with the omnicorder, which is a NASA innovation, so I'm going to say the tricorder is a fabrication.

Blair & Chris: Wow.

Blair: Although Spock would beg to differ with you on that. Yes, tri-quarter…

Jamie: Ah, I'm not a Trekkie. I can give you Back to the Future but…

Blair: No, you got it right. That's what's important.

Chris: Healing light.

Jamie: Healing light is an innovation.

Chris: Wow.

Jamie: Plant experiments for the International Space Station--I believe they utilized photo-dynamic therapy of red light emitting diodes. They had application here on Earth as being wound and burn healers.

Blair: Jamie, would you mind coming on staff here with NASA Edge? Would that be too much trouble to ask? You're sitting comfortably at 100 percent correct.

[Jamie laughing]

Chris: When we make incorrect statements on the show, we need to call him at the end to see if he can correct us or not.

Blair: Well, already he's pointed out a few flaws. [laughing] We're going to have wrap this interview up quickly. Jamie, thanks for your time.

Chris: That's right Jamie. We've come to the end and we want to thank you very much for bailing Blair out on his interview. Because, without you, this whole show would have gone south because he didn't get the interview in Aspen.

Blair: I did stay healthy unlike my co-host here.

Chris: That's true.

Blair: We'll be back in touch certainly when we need a few more questions answered.

Chris: Absolutely. Hey thanks Jamie. Have a great day.

Jamie: Thanks, you too, now.

Blair: Thanks a lot.

Chris: Boy, that Jamie's a pretty cool guy. Isn't he?

Blair: He was fabulous. And how 'bout the non-metallic braces? I thought for sure that was a fabrication.

Chris: When we were in the car making that up, I thought for sure we were right on for a complete fabrication.

Blair: We need to apologize to everyone at the X Games. That is, in fact, a NASA innovation.

Chris: We're sorry.

Blair: It goes to show you how many things NASA is involved with apart from the space program directly…..

Chris: About 30,000 or so.

Blair: Yeah. …that we have no idea about. Even an insider, like yourself, had no idea.

Chris: Like I said before, we're always learning.

Blair: We're always learning. That's true. As a matter of fact, I see you're still feeling under the weather. Do you know anything about Franklin?

Chris: No, I lost track of him when we left Aspen.

Blair: Oh. I wonder if he's okay. We should try to get him on the line.

Chris: I think we should. Hey Ron….

Franklin: Hello, this is Franklin.

Blair: Hey Franklin, this is Chris and Blair from NASA Edge. We're in the studio. Are you doing okay?

Franklin: Oh man, I'm doing great. Our boy, Neil, came through with some lift tickets and I'm still on the slopes. I can't beat it.

Chris: No wonder he didn't make that flight when we left.

Blair: That just figures. Listen, that leaves us with one final question for today.

Franklin: What is that?

Blair: Lift tickets. Innovation or fabrication.

Franklin: I call them outstanding.

Blair: [laughing] This is NASA Edge with Chris, Blair and Franklin.

Chris: …an inside and outside look at all things NASA. Have a great day.

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